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New Ducati 1098 Superbike
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Posted by: Wondertwin

Look anything like an R1 in the front? Hmmm...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Nov/061108b.htm

Posted by: R1Armadillo

That's what I was thinking when I first saw it.

Posted by: VonKujo

Yep, very R1ish in the front... But not the back. Looks very nice!

Posted by: Falcn

Another example of road going excess.... ho hum.

Posted by: 87hurricane

Looks nice, does have some R1 in the front end, but its a much better looking bike than the 999 IMO. The styling of the 999 never grew on me, the headlights always looked out of place on an otherwise awesome bike.

Posted by: Wingspan

I like the bike, but it does look a bit like everything else out there. The tail is almost straight from the MV. Love it or hate it, at least the 999 was distinctive.

Posted by: VonKujo

What happened to Polls on this board. We should have a love it or hate it poll to go with this thread.....

Posted by: R1Armadillo

Distinctive enough that you could tell they used it an the Simpsons episode when they went to Italy (last season?)

Posted by: natrona848

http://www.steelcityriders.com/foru...t=0&#entry20920

Posted by: Falcn

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonKujo

What happened to Polls on this board. We should have a love it or hate it poll to go with this thread.....

Now with a Poll!!

Posted by: R1Armadillo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcn

Now with a Poll!!

WHAT E V E R RRRRR (said in best pouty chic voice)

Posted by: Falcn

I voted Whatevvvveeerrrr too. Another example of a kick ass bike that I will never own $$$, nor really want to own.

Posted by: Falcn

I'd much rather have this bike: http://www.squidbusters.com/sb/showthread.php?t=933

Posted by: Steve

Yup, I'd rather have that bike, too.

I like the 999 styling MUCH better.

Posted by: R1Armadillo

Couldn't find a pic of it, but they do reference it:
Sideshow Bob chases the Simpsons with a motorcycle that looks like a Ducati 999
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Italian_Bob

Posted by: natrona848

guess i'm odd one out cause i like it

shame it's a twin

Posted by: Falcn

I'd take this one too.

http://www.squidbusters.com/sb/show...ighlight=xt660x

Posted by: natrona848

just buy a 636, convert it to a naked bike and get it over with

Posted by: Falcn

Yuck.

Posted by: VonKujo

I like the new front end. I didn't like the old 999 front end but loved rest of the bike. This just completes it for me. So my vote is "love it".

Posted by: Wondertwin

Quote:

Another example of a kick ass bike that I will never own $$$

True 'dat, though I may some day afford a used 916. That's the bike that really does it for me. A classic...

Posted by: Wingspan

MMMMM...tasty!

Posted by: Diesel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wondertwin

Look anything like an R1 in the front? Hmmm...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Nov/061108b.htm

I see a hint of the Daytona 675 in there too....headlight shapes specifically.

Posted by: Jason C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingspan

I like the bike, but it does look a bit like everything else out there. The tail is almost straight from the MV. Love it or hate it, at least the 999 was distinctive.

I agree, it's look is more common. I liked the 999.

Posted by: Falcn

Wow lots of whatevers.... I guess Duc missed the style mark with this one.

Posted by: Oxi-Rider

I think the front has hints of the Desmodeci GP bike. I really like it.

I think you guys want it to be the best looking bike, the most unusual, the most original, and not be polarizing. That design does not exist. If you make something to unique, it will be polarizing. The bike is a work of art, I really like what i see so far. And, much like the 999, you have to really get a look at it in person to get a real feel for it.

Posted by: garry

Eh.... Like the fairing better than the 999, but it doesn't trip my trigger. Maybe it will do something for me when I see one up close. I always thought the 999 looked better in person than in pics and suspect the 1098 will be similar.

Posted by: 87hurricane

Yeah, this bike reminds me of their MotoGP bike too, man soes it look good. The 999s front end killed an otherwise perfect bike for me, this cleans it up alot.

Posted by: Falcn

I like the 999 front end better...ha

Posted by: 87hurricane

Whateeevvveeerrrrr.....

Posted by: 03RumbleBee

I like it alot, particularly over the 999. However, the 916/996/998 is still my favorite body style ever.

Posted by: BlackB12

The fairing has hints of the 916 headlights there. The rest of the bike kinda looks slab-sided like the 999. Might change my mind if I saw one in person though.

Mike

Posted by: R1Armadillo

Bikes ALWAYS look different in person for better or for worse imo.

Posted by: MilleRrrr

en Black

Posted by: jarelj

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxi-Rider

I think the front has hints of the Desmodeci GP bike. I really like it.

I think you guys want it to be the best looking bike, the most unusual, the most original, and not be polarizing. That design does not exist. If you make something to unique, it will be polarizing. The bike is a work of art, I really like what i see so far. And, much like the 999, you have to really get a look at it in person to get a real feel for it.

I've seen it in person, and it's STUNNING, pictures don't do it justice. It was sitting 10 feet from a Desmosedici and everyone in the room was huddled around the 1098 in awe. These will all be sold out before they're even in showrooms next spring. I'd say Ducati hit a home run with this, even though many people on the internet have pooh-poo'd the styling from the pictures. I think Ducati pulled out all the stops and made the bike that is going to put them back at the top of the performance list..... 160HP and 90 ft./lbs. of torque in bone stock form, and 381 lbs. And it's only $14,995! Did I mention is has REAL Brembo mono-bloc radial brake calipers right off the MotoGP bike..... and 330mm rotors..... and a full digital dash computer with telemetry readings you can download to your laptop to analyze your track sessions..... (rumored to have traction control imbedded in it as well, just not turned on).... and Marchesini wheels.... the list goes on.... Clearly it's a track-focused bike and will be extreme overkill on the street where most people will ride it. I want one.... but I'll stick with my non-highside-inducing 749R.

Posted by: garry

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarelj

I think Ducati pulled out all the stops and made the bike that is going to put them back at the top of the performance list..... 160HP and 90 ft./lbs. of torque in bone stock form, and 381 lbs. And it's only $14,995!

When they finally put one on a dyno and a scale I'm sure it will be at least 10 HP down (if not 15) on the Jap I4s and heavier to boot. While the price premium isn't as severe, the guy looking for "bang for the buck" (almost everyone) aint gonna buy a Duc. You have to want a Duc to pay more, for less, and have to deal with those expensive and frequent services. I understand the Euro vibe and exclusivity and "character", but those traits don't mean much in the sportbike world. I doubt there is any significant incrrease in sales of the 1098 over the 999 (after the first year). They'll sell about the same number they always do long term.

Posted by: Ken

That bike is sex on wheels and if I had 25K I could blow on another bike, I'd love to have that in the stable.

Posted by: jarelj

Quote:

Originally Posted by garry

Well, we'll see. Ducati has historically been the least optimistic of all the manufacturers when it comes to claimed weights. Here's a comparison from Sport Rider magazine on dry weights (2006 models):
Bike - Claimed Dry - Actual Dry - Difference
999R -399 - 432.4 - 33.4
CBR1000RR - 388 - 437 - 49
ZX-10R - 386 - 424 - 38
GSXR1000 - 365 - 415 - 50
YZF-R1 - 381 - 423 - 42

On the scales, the 999R was actually lighter than the CBR1000RR, but claimed weight was 11 lbs. higher. So let's say Ducati is again 33.4 lbs. optimistic on their dry weight figure for the 1098. That will mean the claimed 381 lbs. dry weight ends up being 414.4 lbs. on the scale. That would make it the lightest of all liter-class bikes when compared to 2006 models. It will be an interesting year for sure! We won't have to wait long, the first road test will be in the January issue of MotorCyclist magazine which will come out the first week of December....

Posted by: natrona848

shame ducati pulled out of ama sbk now that they would have this as a platform to build on.

Posted by: 87hurricane

Isn't the upper cc limit in ama sbk 1000 for a v-twin?

Posted by: natrona848

crap, you're right!

think that rule is in place till 08? correct me if i'm wrong.

Posted by: jarelj

Quote:

Originally Posted by natronazx6r

shame ducati pulled out of ama sbk now that they would have this as a platform to build on.

Actually they'll still be racing the 999 in World Superbike in 2007, there's not enough time to complete development work on the 1098 to race it next year. The 1098 will be ready for 2008 World Superbike, and what Ducati is hoping is that the AMA will agree to adopt the World Superbike spec for their series as well so Ducati can race the same bike in both series. That's what drove them out of AMA for 2007, the development costs to develop a completely different bike for the AMA rules was just too high. If the same spec is used in both series, then Ducati can develop one bike and take it racing in both series. Ducati definitely wants to be back in AMA superbike with the new bike in 2008, it was a major part of the racing presentation they did at the dealer show this past August that I attended.

Posted by: natrona848

it makes sense to me. ama sbk produces some of the elite in the world so why not run all the same rules.

Posted by: mangeldbug

this one will have the Ducati dry clutch.
The members over on the Ducati Monster List are pretty upset that they are putting a wet clutch in the 2007 Multistrada 1100

Posted by: jarelj

Quote:

Originally Posted by mangeldbug

this one will have the Ducati dry clutch.
The members over on the Ducati Monster List are pretty upset that they are putting a wet clutch in the 2007 Multistrada 1100

Yeah, I can understand, but the Multi is being focused more on the touring market and the wet clutch sells better to those riders due to the perceived lower maintenance. I think it's just for perception though, in reality the dry clutch doesn't have that much of a maintenance cost to it, and I prefer it myself. There's nothing like the rattle of a dry Ducati clutch through an open clutch cover!

Posted by: Wondertwin

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While the price premium isn't as severe, the guy looking for "bang for the buck" (almost everyone) aint gonna buy a Duc.

Fortunately, that's not their target market. Those guys are probably buying used bikes anyway. What they are doing is lowering the prices and getting rid of some of the more polarizing styling elements. I think they'll see a notable increase in sales of this model over the 999.

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shame ducati pulled out of ama sbk now that they would have this as a platform to build on.

Word has it they will be in AMA FX racing the 749 with Larry Pegram as a possible pilot. Cool thing is rules just changed to allow V-Twins to be punched-out to 850cc, which should make the Ducati platform a heck of a lot more interesting to tuners. Be looking for one in the Daytona 200!

Quote:

That's what drove them out of AMA for 2007, the development costs to develop a completely different bike for the AMA rules was just too high. If the same spec is used in both series, then Ducati can develop one bike and take it racing in both series.

All manufacturers would dig one bike for both series'. Why the heck AMA won't conform to the larger picture is beyond me...

Quote:

I think it's just for perception though, in reality the dry clutch doesn't have that much of a maintenance cost to it, and I prefer it myself.

+1, I agree! No complaints here.

Posted by: Falcn

What does rain riding do to a dry clutch?

Posted by: Wondertwin

Nothing that I'm aware of. I've done hot runs of Deal's Gap in the rain on the Duc with no noticeable issue. Then again, I run the stock carbon fiber non-vented cover

But hey, maybe with a vented cover, a little dampness might help newbies deal with what they call clutch "grabbiness". I call it lack of technique, but that's neither here nor there...

Maybe I could patent a water sprayer for Ducati dry clutches. That would effectively convert them to wet units! So... If it ever comes-up, it was MY IDEA! You heard it here first on squidbusters.com. Pushing the boundaries of what is possible in the sportbike world...

Posted by: Falcn

I meant with Vented dry clutches.

Posted by: garry

Isn't the clutch pull lighter with the wet clutch?

Posted by: Falcn

Yes supposed to be, but then the clutch pull on the M750S was a bear from the factory!

Posted by: jarelj

Dry clutches do fine in the rain, they're spinning so fast that no water actually get into the clutch plates. The only side-effect really is if you have steel clutch springs they can get rust on them and not look as good. We always sell stainless steel clutch springs when someone puts an open clutch cover on, that eliminates the issue. Usually the clutch springs used in a dry clutch are a little stiffer than what you would use in a wet clutch. You get a little bit of hydraulic lock from the oil between the plates in a wet clutch which helps them stick together, and you don't get that in a dry clutch so the springs need to be a tad stiffer. If you put a good aftermarket slave cylinder on, the lever pull is about the same as any bike with a wet clutch. Or you can just let the Popeye-like left forearm develop and be proud of it!

Posted by: jarelj

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wondertwin

{snip}
Word has it they will be in AMA FX racing the 749 with Larry Pegram as a possible pilot. Cool thing is rules just changed to allow V-Twins to be punched-out to 850cc, which should make the Ducati platform a heck of a lot more interesting to tuners. Be looking for one in the Daytona 200!
{snip}

And it will be easy, if you put 999R pistons in a 749R engine, you get 848cc! I hope this rumor is true and they do run the bike in FX next year. They have a TON of development on the 749R done already with the British and World Supersport teams the past couple of years, so it shouldn't be difficult to get a bike like that in a competitive position. I know Ducati was planning to be at every AMA round with the Duc Truck even if they weren't racing, but it will be much cooler if they're actually racing, even if it's just one class.

Posted by: Falcn

Nice.... 850cc 749 chassis...yum

Posted by: mangeldbug

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcn

the clutch pull on the M750S was a bear from the factory!

Still is pretty tough even with the aftermarket slave cylinder, but its definitely much better than it was.

Posted by: natrona848

the more pictures i see, the more i like this bike...

quick, someone buy one so i can drool on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Falcn

I like the Tri-colore version better.

http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0611/061127_04n.html

Posted by: jarelj

I'm diggin' the gold frame and wheels, can't wait to see one in person! I just talked to our Ducati rep today, looks like availability will be February on the 1098S, early March on the 1098 and late March on the Tricolore.

Posted by: Falcn

I just read the article in Motorcyclist about the 1098. I am impressed.

Now if they were smart they would strip the bodywork, and make a monster out of it, without TOUCHING ANYTHING ELSE, incorporate the intake nostrils into a new monster headlight, and be done with it. Who the f cares if it "takes sales away from the 1098" - they would still be selling bikes.

Posted by: 87hurricane

Yeah I saw more pictures in Cycle World and this bike is absolutely gorgeous. Falcn, if they stick to their current theme with Monsters, that 1098 engine will be in a Monster within a couple of years. If you're looking for close, go ride an S4RS, yee haw!

Posted by: SOULRIDER

I love it in the white/red paint scheme.

Must find that picture.

Posted by: Oxi-Rider

Yeah, after looking at it in motorcyclist, I can say, I haven't drooled over a bike that much, ever. Better than the first bike I loved, better than all of them, it looks awesome. And reading how badass it is makes it better.

Posted by: Falcn

90 ft-lb......90!!!

Posted by: Falcn

Quote:

Originally Posted by 87hurricane

Yeah I saw more pictures in Cycle World and this bike is absolutely gorgeous. Falcn, if they stick to their current theme with Monsters, that 1098 engine will be in a Monster within a couple of years. If you're looking for close, go ride an S4RS, yee haw!

Yeah - but I want it in the same chassis with the same forks, same engine - no detuning, and the same exhaust - just a handlebar.

Posted by: BlackB12

The bike looks great in print so you know it will be breathtaking in person. PErsonally I wish they kept more of the 916 ere Duc's look in the fairing. This one is kinda there but it also looks like other sportbike front ends at first glance. The 916-998 look was the best IMO.

Mike

Posted by: Oxi-Rider

Seriously, the bike is as light if not lighter than the Japanese 4 superbikes. It has better way more power all the way up to the 11kish rpm range due to it being a twin. The suspension and chassis are going to be great, as always. It will be narrower, and carry its weight much lower. It will have the best brakes available on a street bike, period. And, it will have lightweight wheels. And, it is going to list for just $3000 more than the 'big 4' superbikes? This is a genious move by Ducati. They should sell more of these bikes than they have sold any bike in their history.

Posted by: natrona848

the more i see it the more i like it. probably would never own one but i would like to have a seat just to see how it feels and if the tank is to thin . probably is though, i wish my tank was a bit wider than it is in it's current form and it's an inline 4.

Posted by: SOULRIDER

I hope it's a bit more reliable than the 999.

The engines on those typically grenaded after 5K.

Posted by: garry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxi-Rider

Seriously, the bike is as light if not lighter than the Japanese 4 superbikes. It has better way more power all the way up to the 11kish rpm range due to it being a twin.

I'd wait for a magazine to put all the 2007 superbikes on the same scale and the same dyno before getting too excited. There are lies, damn lies, and manufacturer specs.

Posted by: paperairplane

I can't believe there is any debate about this bike.

Let me see if I have the facts correct:
I can get the brand new, more powerful, better looking, lighter and overall improved 999 replacement for the cost of a used 998?

I think this shows very forward thinking by Ducati and is going to be a huge hit for the brand.

Posted by: Falcn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken

That bike is sex on wheels and if I had 25K I could blow on another bike, I'd love to have that in the stable.

What are you going to do with the extra $10,000?

Posted by: VonKujo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcn

What are you going to do with the extra $10,000?

Ya, what are you going to do with the extra 10G's?

Posted by: garry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcn

What are you going to do with the extra $10,000?

No doubt he was referring to the $25,000 Tri-Colore version, not the standard model.

Posted by: Falcn

If there was no doubt....we wouldn't have asked

Posted by: katrider

Looks like the new ZX14.

Posted by: natrona848

Quote:

Originally Posted by katrider

Looks like the new ZX14.

Posted by: Falcn

NO WAY! The ZX-14 is WAAAAAAAY fuglier

Posted by: Rob Hephner

Here is the way they should make it.

http://www.southwestrides.com/vbull...49&d=1174680473

Posted by: Falcn

Can't see unless a member.

Posted by: Rob Hephner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcn

Can't see unless a member.

Yea, and it so pricey to join.

Posted by: natrona848

Posted by: natrona848

of course, i send the first pic to my wife, she sends the one i just posted and says, that's really nice, you should sell the 636 and buy that.

Posted by: Wingspan

Interesting read:

http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=30661

btw, I saw a 1098 in the flesh for the first time this past weekend. Beautiful!

Posted by: natrona848

only one other bike aside from the 1098 gave me an initial (i gotta have one of those) feelings and that was the MV the first time i saw one in person. that is based just on looks though.

Posted by: Lance

Quote:

Originally Posted by natronazx6r

...that's really nice, you should sell the 636 and buy that...

Maybe you could finally win BOM...

Posted by: natrona848

hole

Posted by: RupturedDust

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance

Maybe you could finally win BOM...

BUUUUUUUUUURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: paperairplane

Ducati's, like Ferrari's, should only be sold in red and with the race exhaust.

Motorcyclist has a good comparo between the 999 and 1098 - of course, both are so far above my skill, talent and nerve level as to be comical so I say go with the 1098, as it is prettier.

Now, who wants a 1098 Monster with 145hp?

Posted by: Malevolent Monster

I love my 1098.

BTW- the white is gay.

Posted by: natrona848

when did you get a 1098????

white = gay

have you seen a purple bike before?

Posted by: 0215

the 1098 finished dead last in the sportrider liter bike comparison

Posted by: RupturedDust

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0215

the 1098 finished dead last in the sportrider liter bike comparison

Ha! What was the reasoning?

Posted by: Oxi-Rider

Purple bikes rawk!!!

0215: I saw that, and, although surprised, I am quite sure it wouldn;t stop me from buying whichever looks best. I end up changing so much with suspension and tires from stock condition that I never know which is better. Plus, the window in which the bike lost is so tiny, there is virtually no difference.

Posted by: Malevolent Monster

Quote:

Originally Posted by natronazx6r

when did you get a 1098????

I got mine the second week of April. I posted pics of it a few weeks ago.

Posted by: 0215

Quote:

Originally Posted by RupturedDust

Ha! What was the reasoning?

pretty simple really, they didnt think it was as good as the others. Less power, more price, finished low to last in every test, HP, roll ons, etc.

Posted by: Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0215

pretty simple really, they didnt think it was as good as the others. Less power, more price, finished low to last in every test, HP, roll ons, etc.

More like...
Pretty simple, really. They spent the least amount of money in advertising.

All the bike rag comparos are the same. Come on... Who spends the most money gets the best reviews. Been that way for quite a while now.

I mean, look at the Hyabusa advertising now. An entire MINI MAG being included with one of the magazines dedicated to the bike. OF COURSE the reviews are going to say the new one destroys the old one.

Bike mags now are pretty pictures and specs. All of the reviews are totally worthless though.

Posted by: Falcn

Not MCN

There is no advertising.

Posted by: chuck_v

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve

million

Posted by: paperairplane

What exactly are they supposed to say? I mean what actual difference is there between an R1, Gix1K and CBR1KRR?

Is there really any performance category that these things do poorly? Only Ricky Gadsen can tell the difference in the 1/4 mile, maybe Don Canet could make a difference at the track and I guess Kevin Schwantz could use a few more hp....

It's like having to choose between Shakira and Beyonce... between a Benz and a BMW, between a Glock and a H&K- sure you may like one a little better, but there's no bad choice.

Posted by: 0215

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve

thats all fine and good...except every statistical test they did had the 1098 behind. thats not advertising dollars thats numbers.

Posted by: Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0215

thats all fine and good...except every statistical test they did had the 1098 behind. thats not advertising dollars thats numbers.

And there's so much more to a bike than hp, torque, and other specs.

So, who cares if it doesn't have the most hp, the fastest roll-on times, or the quickest 1/4 mile. Seriously. Anyone who buys a bike purely on those stats is a poser looking for bragging rights.

Posted by: RupturedDust

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0215

thats all fine and good...except every statistical test they did had the 1098 behind. thats not advertising dollars thats numbers.

Even these tests are not unflawed. Undoubtedly there are conditions that affect even these "stats," for example, the rider, who may be intrinsically more comfortable on one bike than another, and have that translate to the bike's performance. Braking is probably a good example of this.

Posted by: paperairplane

I think it's funny that people seem to be looking for a reason not to like the Ducati. If it was all a balance of price and numbers, why would anyone buy a Ferrari that is slower than a Corvette for twice the price?

Are there really R1 owners out there who are losing sleep b/c the Honda makes 2 more hp at 6k rpms? Should I not buy a GSXR1K b/c Pridmore can lap Road America .01 second faster on an R1?

I forget who said it, you buy what gives you wood, and to me the Duc is visceral and prestigous in a way no Japanese bike can be.

Posted by: gypsyjack

No doubt the thing is beautifull, its just the whole Ducati B.S.line that gets me. I've read all the reviews and yet again the bike is not as lite, powetrfull, or as fast as the forcast. For my money, you put the price point difference in performance parts for your Jap 1000 and you crush the thing. And whats with the extra 100 cc's? For me thats like cheating. Now if I had 72.5 K for the Desmo....

Posted by: Falcn

TWins have always been allowed extra cc's in racing vs. 4's because they can't spin their larger pistons at as high an rpm as the I4 and triples.